TCC Season 7 (Q1 2013) Testing - Phase 2 Open - *** Car List & Testing Instructions on Page 1 ***

After last nights testing I will be bring all the RWD cars up to 575 - including the BMWs - but I would like another night of testing maybe tomorrow night before I make a final decision.

I should be on tomorrow

Sorry, I was gonna have a test session tonight but I can't be on to host one. Maybe if anyone is around during the day tomorrow I may be able to do so,e more.

Done laps in all the cars with tunes from BG Dr Green. I found FWD cars separated by 1 second (excluding the 02' Integra and the Astra).

In RWD at 575 I personally thought they are too fast now. I am normally slower in RWD compared to FWD yet my 3 fastest times came in RWD cars (Insignia VXR, Volvo S60 and Scion FR-S). The Insignia I found to be half a second quicker than any FWD car. The Insignia VXR, Volvo S60 and Scion FR-S along with the 2 BMW's I feel are too fast when considering they already gain an advantage with the standing starts. Saying this the other RWD cars are on pace, if not slightly on the slow side at PI 575.

Here is the list of all the times I managed in every car.

Pos Car Hock Defects
1 2010 Vauxhall Insignia VXR 1.34.7 (1.35.6 - 570)
2 2011 Volvo S60 R-Design 1.35.0
3 2010 Renault Megane RS 250 1.35.2
3 2013 Scion FR-S 1.35.2 (1.35.3 - 570)
5 2010 Kia Forte Koup SX 1.35.3
5 2011 Kia c'eed 1.35.3
5 2011 BMW Series M Coupe 1.35.3
8 2007 Honda Civic Type-R 1.35.4
8 2009 Volkswagen Scirocco GT 1.35.4
8 2010 Peugeot RCZ 1.35.4
8 2011 Citroen DS4 1.35.4
8 2009 BMW 135i Coupe 1.35.4
13 2010 Chevrolet Cobalt SS Turbocharged 1.35.6
13 2010 SEAT Leon Cupra R 1.35.6
13 2011 Volkswagen Scirocco R 1.35.6
13 2013 Hyundai Veloster Turbo 1.35.6
17 2010 Mazda Mazdaspeed 3 1.35.7
18 2013 Ford Focus ST 1.35.8
19 2006 Volkswagen Golf GTi 1.35.9
19 2012 Honda Civic Si Coupe 1.35.9
19 2012 Scion tC 1.35.9 (torque understeer)
19 2003 Lexus IS300 1.35.9
23 2007 Nissan Sentra SE-R Spec V 1.36.0 (doesn’t turn)
23 2009 Volvo C30 R-Design 1.36.0
23 2010 Volkswagen Golf GTi 1.36.0
23 2011 Alfa Romeo Giulietta Quadrifolio Verde 1.36.0
23 2011 Audi RS3 Sportback 1.36.0 (very loose)
28 2009 Ford Focus RS 1.36.1
28 2011 Subaru WRX STI 1.36.1
30 2011 Honda CR-Z EX 1.36.2 (can't hear engine)
31 2002 Honda Integra Type-R 1.36.4 (awful gears)
32 2008 Subaru Impreza WRX STI 1.36.5 (very slow)
33 2006 Vauxhall Astra VXR 1.36.8 (very poor)

Ill be on asap.

Very good work there lads!

great work all,

any more feedback?

Remove the scion frs, doesn't fit and would require its own pi in order to be balanced. I already found it quicker than any other rwd and one of the quickest overall but you have given it 5 more p.i now.

Yeah the FR-S will be removed.

I want to sign this list off today, I'm very happy with the cars at PI 580 for FWD and PI 575 for RWD. I understand so of you guys are really quick in the 135i but I was always slower in it and whilst racing against it the car was never up front and walking away with it. I'd like to be proven wrong however.

Sounds good Richy, I think RWD is in that 570-575 region somewhere, so I think 575 will work out OK, and bring more of the RWD cars into a competitive position. And glad the FR-S has been removed, I think it would be easy to build 'special' custom versions of that for each race that would give it an unfair advantage.

I personally found quite a few fwd cars faster than the faster rwd's (insignia and 135i) excluding the scion.

for me it was the megane it just seemed to have beast mode enabled.

Meganes seems the quickest overall.

You get my vote to sign this off, its looking like a great championship!

nice cheers Richy yea signed off from me cant wait

VVV Amarth wrote:I personally found quite a few fwd cars faster than the faster rwd's (insignia and 135i) excluding the scion.

Agreed!

The advantage of the RWD cars is their superior starting prowess but I'm happy there are numerous FWD's that are capable of slightly quicker lap times than the quickest RWD's.

I found myself going much quicker in a lot of FWD cars over the RWD. Maybe a combination of them being Road Cars and most of them are converted AWD cars, but for the first time since I got my wheel I have been more comfortable in FWD. Really enjoy driving them compared to last season, I think that front splitter has made a huge difference.

The RWD cars do indeed get a huge advantage at the start, but with the manual grid starts there is also some human error to factor in, plus once the FWD cars get up to temperature they seem to be better overall. They also race better as in close quarters the RWD cars are quite unstable.

Sound a lot like the real BTCC then

I will be putting the rules and regulations together today, then if there are no complaints by the end of the day I will release the rules. I need to adjust the calendar slightly dates wise - but are we all in favour of seeing Sebring Club take the place of Maple Valley? Just as a reminder, all tracks used in this Season won't be in next Season, so Maple valley will just be moved to next season.

Yes Sebring Club in place of Maple Valley! Please!

The car list is that good that I don't really care where we race them

Provisional Final Draft

Car list finalized - Monday 4th February 2013
Rules Released to public - Monday 4th February 2013
Driver/Team Entry and Car Selection opens - Friday 15th February 2013
First Race - Tuesday 5th March 2013

Season 7 Calendar

Meeting 1 -- Rounds 1,2 & 3 - Hockenheim National - 5th March 2013
Meeting 2 -- Rounds 4, 5 & 6 - Nurburgring Short - 19th March 2013
Meeting 3 -- Rounds 7, 8 & 9 - Silverstone International - 2nd April 2013
Meeting 4 -- Rounds 10,11 & 12 - Sedona Club Reverse - 16th April 2013
Meeting 5 -- Rounds 13, 14 & 15 - Infineon IRL Course - 30th April 2013
Meeting 6 -- Rounds 16, 17 & 18 - Sebring Club - 14th May 2013
Meeting 7 -- Rounds 19, 20 & 21 - Motegi East - 28th May 2013
Meeting 8 -- Rounds 22, 23 & 24 - Suzuka Full - 11th June 2013


FWD Car Build Regulations

Class = A
PI = 580
Power = 300-350bhp
Weight = 2,500-2,900lbs
Year = 2001 onwards
Type = Production
Drive Type = FWD
Engine Placement = Front
Aspiration = Turbocharged or Twin Turbocharged
Mandatory Parts = Adjustable Front and Rear Aero, Full Race Rollcage, Race Brakes, Race Tyres

RWD Car Build Regulations

Class = A
PI = 575
Power = 300-350bhp
Weight = 2,600-3,100lbs
Year = 2001 onwards
Type = Production
Drive Type = RWD
Engine Placement = Front
Aspiration = Turbocharged or Twin Turbocharged
Mandatory Parts = Adjustable Front and Rear Aero, Full Race Rollcage, Race Brakes, Race Tyres

Additional Rules

No Engine Swaps Allowed
No FWD to RWD Conversion
VW Scirocco R may use VW Aero (same adjustability as Forza Aero)

Provisional Car List

FWD - PI 580

2011 Alfa Romeo Giulietta Quadrifolio Verde
2010 Chevrolet Cobalt SS Turbocharged
2011 Citroen DS4
2009 Ford Focus RS
2013 Ford Focus ST
2002 Honda Integra Type-R
2012 Honda Civic Si Coupe
2007 Honda Civic Type-R
2011 Honda CR-Z EX
2013 Hyundai Veloster Turbo
2011 Kia c'eed
2010 Kia Forte Koup SX
2010 Mazda Mazdaspeed 3
2007 Nissan Sentra SE-R Spec V
2010 Peugeot RCZ
2010 Renault Megane RS 250
2012 Scion tC
2010 SEAT Leon Cupra R
2006 Vauxhall Astra VXR
2006 Volkswagen Golf GTi
2010 Volkswagen Golf GTi
2011 Volkswagen Scirocco R
2009 Volvo C30 R-Design

RWD - PI 575

2011 Audi RS3 Sportback
2009 BMW 135i Coupe
2011 BMW Series 1 M Coupe
2003 Lexus IS300
2008 Subaru Impreza WRX STI
2011 Subaru WRX STI
2010 Vauxhall Insignia VXR
2011 Volvo S60 R-Design[/quote]

Final draft posted, changes in Bold. I have also removed the Scirocco GT as the Scirocco R is on the list, however it is DLC. I am not against leaving the GT there as an option.

Looks good!

One typo at the bottom, update PI to 575 in the RWD car list section

added 575

Yea Richy Scirocco GT should be

Looks good Richy - can't wait for this, my life has felt empty without Touring Car racing

Does each car have an allocation limit then? If so what is it

There will be 3 of each available for Teams.

Richy59 wrote:There will be 3 of each available for Teams.

Thanks richy