Re: ISCC Phase 1 Testing

by TG Wormburner Wed 20 Mar 2013 - 22:37

I'd test that on the Esperante. It was the fastest car but not sure how much faster it is. If they don't allow rim upgrades it could be okay as it has Buddy Clubs and those are the lightest.

For me testing was:
Esperante
Vette/BMW
Ford/Abruzzi/Lambo
Jag/Ferrari

The Panoz was about a tenth quicker than the Vette/BMW. The next three cars were about another tenth back but my Abruzzi tune sucked ass. The Jag and Ferrari were the slowest by another .250ish.

I tested at Road Atlanta, Nurb GP, and Motegi but can't find my results anywhere for exact times. Don't know if the web app saved or what. Those were my best three tracks and most consistent.

Here is what my sheet says but it is off. Takumi ended up with an 18.8 in the Esperante, 18.9 in the Vette and said he could get an 18 in the BMW but it was a tiny bit slower than the Vette. All of these times are off about that much.

by **Richy59** Wed 20 Mar 2013 - 23:10

The Esperante won't be on the list for this season. it's too old and we have the Abruzzi to replace it.

by **Koenigsegg R** Thu 21 Mar 2013 - 19:43

Anyway, here are my testing times from the current VM ALMS builds. All with stock tuning and stock downforce.

Laguna Seca
1:25.517 - Lamborghini Gallardo
1:25.563 - Ford GT
1:25.661 - Panoz Abruzzi
1:25.752 - Ferrari 458 Italia
1:25.781 - BMW Z4 GT3
1:25.786 - Porsche 911 GT3-RSR 2007
1:25.797 - Porsche 911 GT3-RSR 2011
1:25.809 - SRT Viper GTS-R
1:25.832 - Jaguar XKR GT
1:25.845 - Panoz Esperante GTLM
1:25.908 - Chevrolet Corvette ZR1
1:25.920 - BMW M3 GT2

Road Atlanta
1:20.527 - Porsche 911 GT3-RSR 2007
1:20.555 - Ford GT
1:20.561 - Chevrolet Corvette ZR1
1:20.646 - Panoz Abruzzi
1:20.649 - Jaguar XKR GT
1:20.710 - BMW M3 GT2
1:20.741 - BMW Z4 GT3
1:20.752 - Lamborghini Gallardo
1:20.763 - Panoz Esperante GTLM
1:20.784 - SRT Viper GTS-R
1:20.804 - Porsche 911 GT3-RSR 2011
1:20.846 - Ferrari 458 Italia

Sebring
2:04.051 - Panoz Abruzzi
2:04.119 - Panoz Esperante GTLM
2:04.123 - Ferrari 458 Italia
2:04.258 - Ford GT
2:04.285 - BMW M3 GT2
2:04.306 - Porsche 911 GT3-RSR 2011
2:04.308 - Porsche 911 GT3-RSR 2007
2:04.376 - BMW Z4 GT3
2:04.415 - Lamborghini Gallardo
2:04.417 - Chevrolet Corvette ZR1
2:04.478 - Jaguar XKR GT
2:04.542 - SRT Viper GTS-R

by **CQR Rogue** Thu 21 Mar 2013 - 19:48

F4H Koenigsegg wrote:Anyway, here are my testing times from the current VM ALMS builds. All with stock tuning and stock downforce.

Laguna Seca
1:25.517 - Lamborghini Gallardo
1:25.563 - Ford GT
1:25.661 - Panoz Abruzzi
1:25.752 - Ferrari 458 Italia
1:25.781 - BMW Z4 GT3
1:25.786 - Porsche 911 GT3-RSR 2007
1:25.797 - Porsche 911 GT3-RSR 2011
1:25.809 - SRT Viper GTS-R
1:25.832 - Jaguar XKR GT
1:25.845 - Panoz Esperante GTLM
1:25.908 - Chevrolet Corvette ZR1
1:25.920 - BMW M3 GT2

Road Atlanta
1:20.527 - Porsche 911 GT3-RSR 2007
1:20.555 - Ford GT
1:20.561 - Chevrolet Corvette ZR1
1:20.646 - Panoz Abruzzi
1:20.649 - Jaguar XKR GT
1:20.710 - BMW M3 GT2
1:20.741 - BMW Z4 GT3
1:20.752 - Lamborghini Gallardo
1:20.763 - Panoz Esperante GTLM
1:20.784 - SRT Viper GTS-R
1:20.804 - Porsche 911 GT3-RSR 2011
1:20.846 - Ferrari 458 Italia

Sebring
2:04.051 - Panoz Abruzzi
2:04.119 - Panoz Esperante GTLM
2:04.123 - Ferrari 458 Italia
2:04.258 - Ford GT
2:04.285 - BMW M3 GT2
2:04.306 - Porsche 911 GT3-RSR 2011
2:04.308 - Porsche 911 GT3-RSR 2007
2:04.376 - BMW Z4 GT3
2:04.415 - Lamborghini Gallardo
2:04.417 - Chevrolet Corvette ZR1
2:04.478 - Jaguar XKR GT
2:04.542 - SRT Viper GTS-R

Cheers dude do these PI match the PI in the OP? If not can you add PI and tyre widths where different Smile

by TG Wormburner Thu 21 Mar 2013 - 20:15

Ah, ours was with tunes. Some of the cars improve quite a bit with tuning and some can run without downforce while some can. The Porsche's have to have it while the Corvette does not. That can skew the times quite a bit.

by **CQR Rogue** Thu 21 Mar 2013 - 22:53

yea times need be stock for phase 1 Smile

thanks

by **Koenigsegg R** Fri 22 Mar 2013 - 7:36

SelectiveRogue wrote:
F4H Koenigsegg wrote:Anyway, here are my testing times from the current VM ALMS builds. All with stock tuning and stock downforce.

Laguna Seca
1:25.517 - Lamborghini Gallardo (R3-761 - F310 R330)
1:25.563 - Ford GT (R3-763 - F285 R310)
1:25.661 - Panoz Abruzzi (R3-763 - F300 R320)
1:25.752 - Ferrari 458 Italia (R3-764 - F300 R315)
1:25.781 - BMW Z4 GT3 (R3-787 - F305 R330)
1:25.786 - Porsche 911 GT3-RSR 2007 (R3-762 - F280 R320)
1:25.797 - Porsche 911 GT3-RSR 2011 (R3-765 - F305 R320)
1:25.809 - SRT Viper GTS-R (R3-761 - F320 R340)
1:25.832 - Jaguar XKR GT (R3-757 - F310 R340)
1:25.845 - Panoz Esperante GTLM (R3-758 - F315 - R335)
1:25.908 - Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 (R3-762 - F310 R335)
1:25.920 - BMW M3 GT2 (R3-758 - F300 R310)

Road Atlanta
1:20.527 - Porsche 911 GT3-RSR 2007 (R3-762 - F280 R320)
1:20.555 - Ford GT (R3-763 - F285 R310)
1:20.561 - Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 (R3-762 - F310 R335)
1:20.646 - Panoz Abruzzi (R3-763 - F300 R320)
1:20.649 - Jaguar XKR GT (R3-757 - F310 R340)
1:20.710 - BMW M3 GT2 (R3-758 - F300 R310)
1:20.741 - BMW Z4 GT3 (R3-787 - F305 R330)
1:20.752 - Lamborghini Gallardo (R3-761 - F310 R330)
1:20.763 - Panoz Esperante GTLM (R3-758 - F315 - R335)
1:20.784 - SRT Viper GTS-R (R3-761 - F320 R340)
1:20.804 - Porsche 911 GT3-RSR 2011 (R3-765 - F305 R320)
1:20.846 - Ferrari 458 Italia (R3-764 - F300 R315)

Sebring
2:04.051 - Panoz Abruzzi (R3-763 - F300 R320)
2:04.119 - Panoz Esperante GTLM (R3-758 - F315 - R335)
2:04.123 - Ferrari 458 Italia (R3-764 - F300 R315)
2:04.258 - Ford GT (R3-763 - F285 R310)
2:04.285 - BMW M3 GT2 (R3-758 - F300 R310)
2:04.306 - Porsche 911 GT3-RSR 2011 (R3-765 - F305 R320)
2:04.308 - Porsche 911 GT3-RSR 2007 (R3-762 - F280 R320)
2:04.376 - BMW Z4 GT3 (R3-787 - F305 R330)
2:04.415 - Lamborghini Gallardo (R3-761 - F310 R330)
2:04.417 - Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 (R3-762 - F310 R335)
2:04.478 - Jaguar XKR GT (R3-757 - F310 R340)
2:04.542 - SRT Viper GTS-R (R3-761 - F320 R340)

Cheers dude do these PI match the PI in the OP? If not can you add PI and tyre widths where different

PI and tyre width added. VM builds use specified rims, so some PI's might be higher (or lower) than the PI with stock rims.

by **CQR Rogue** Fri 22 Mar 2013 - 9:51

cheers dude these stock tunes as well?

by **Koenigsegg R** Fri 22 Mar 2013 - 19:53

It does say that at the top of my post. Wink

by **CQR Rogue** Fri 22 Mar 2013 - 23:39

thank you

by F4H Drake Sat 23 Mar 2013 - 0:19

Did times for all the prototypes, both P1 and P2.

by **Richy59** Sat 23 Mar 2013 - 6:51

Cheers Drake, some good times. I found the Porsche slow but was starting to warm up to it. Needs a tune and more laps.

by F4H Drake Sat 23 Mar 2013 - 7:15

Richy59 wrote:Cheers Drake, some good times. I found the Porsche slow but was starting to warm up to it. Needs a tune and more laps.

A rear tyre width increase would most likely help the overall stability, but I fear the Porsche would easily dominant the 'short' courses.

by F4H Lotterer Sat 23 Mar 2013 - 9:58

F4H Koenigsegg wrote:Anyway, here are my testing times from the current VM ALMS builds. All with stock tuning and stock downforce.

Laguna Seca
1:25.517 - Lamborghini Gallardo
1:25.563 - Ford GT
1:25.661 - Panoz Abruzzi
1:25.752 - Ferrari 458 Italia
1:25.781 - BMW Z4 GT3
1:25.786 - Porsche 911 GT3-RSR 2007
1:25.797 - Porsche 911 GT3-RSR 2011
1:25.809 - SRT Viper GTS-R
1:25.832 - Jaguar XKR GT
1:25.845 - Panoz Esperante GTLM
1:25.908 - Chevrolet Corvette ZR1
1:25.920 - BMW M3 GT2

Road Atlanta
1:20.527 - Porsche 911 GT3-RSR 2007
1:20.555 - Ford GT
1:20.561 - Chevrolet Corvette ZR1
1:20.646 - Panoz Abruzzi
1:20.649 - Jaguar XKR GT
1:20.710 - BMW M3 GT2
1:20.741 - BMW Z4 GT3
1:20.752 - Lamborghini Gallardo
1:20.763 - Panoz Esperante GTLM
1:20.784 - SRT Viper GTS-R
1:20.804 - Porsche 911 GT3-RSR 2011
1:20.846 - Ferrari 458 Italia

Sebring
2:04.051 - Panoz Abruzzi
2:04.119 - Panoz Esperante GTLM
2:04.123 - Ferrari 458 Italia
2:04.258 - Ford GT
2:04.285 - BMW M3 GT2
2:04.306 - Porsche 911 GT3-RSR 2011
2:04.308 - Porsche 911 GT3-RSR 2007
2:04.376 - BMW Z4 GT3
2:04.415 - Lamborghini Gallardo
2:04.417 - Chevrolet Corvette ZR1
2:04.478 - Jaguar XKR GT
2:04.542 - SRT Viper GTS-R

i would like too see the M3 GT2 , Esperante GTLM and the 2007 Porsche not in this series but aside from those 3 cars this list looks pretty solid.

by **Richy59** Sat 23 Mar 2013 - 10:55

The M3 will be staying it, the Z4 isn't a true GTE car and may not make it into our series. We need that M3, I don't know why you hate it so much Razz

by F4H Lotterer Sat 23 Mar 2013 - 11:27

im not bashing the M3 but i would rather see the Z4 if it is balanced.

by TG Wormburner Sat 23 Mar 2013 - 13:08

The M3 is balanced fine

by F4H Bullet Wed 27 Mar 2013 - 2:51

Just to chime in on the class strutrue, I can see why you'd like p2, but I think LMP1, LMPC and GT would be a good class structure to have so that you have healthy numbers in all classes.

Also from a competitors standpoint, the racing we have had in the Alms series at VM has been fantastic. The cars are really balanced and really provide good racing at the builds Thom has them at. I think in the first 3 races, we've had at least 5 different cars in the top lobby seperated by less then by just a couple of tenths.

by **CQR Rogue** Wed 27 Mar 2013 - 7:31

sweet

by **Richy59** Wed 27 Mar 2013 - 7:34

So is the general consensus to use VMs exact list of cars and builds/PIs? I don't want to go down the route of being accused of copying ideas and such again and sharing the same car list won't help. I know not much can be done with these cars anyway, but still.

Also, there will be 3 classes and P2 is currently the favorite as it showed some popularity last year and was attended more than the LMPC class earlier in the year. However, I completely get LMPC and think it could be worth trying again.

by F4H Lotterer Wed 27 Mar 2013 - 8:57

No copying VM is not a good move imo

by **CQR Rogue** Wed 27 Mar 2013 - 9:03

LOL I know but pretty much cars are balanced (plus its F4h list no VM) see above any way will get more times in today

by TG Wormburner Wed 27 Mar 2013 - 13:58

LOL

Thom balanced the cars for VM and offered the same one's here. That isn't copying.

by **CQR Rogue** Wed 27 Mar 2013 - 14:29

TG Wormburner wrote:LOL

Thom balanced the cars for VM and offered the same one's here. That isn't copying.

+1

by **Richy59** Wed 27 Mar 2013 - 15:48

Yes, but someone won't see it that way.

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