ISCC Phase 2 Testing

Can we arrange some testing sessions? Save the replays for future use and such?

F4H Bullet wrote:

Drake Hellspawn wrote:

XPR Soundwave wrote:the R18 and AMR aren't the best cars, just the easiest ones to drive quick in.

No they are the best. The AMR has the highest top speed, with good grip, and the Audi has one of the highest accelerations, probably the highest aside from the Peugeot 908, and very good grip.

+1

Drake Hellspawn wrote:

Richy59 wrote:So what do you think Drake, 5% power on both of them to balance?

If you are insistent are on it then, I think it will work, but expect to see a lot of people picking the Acura in my opinion.

The AMR-One should remain competitive with a 5% power restriction, but I have not personally tested the Audi at -5% power restriction. I would imagine it would be able to hold it's own, but some cleverness with the abundant aero is going to need to take place.

Personally, I think it's better to try and bring all the other cars up to the Audi's benchmark. I brought this up a couple of pages back, but it died out.

Agree dude -

What do we need to bring all other cars closer to Audi or run 5% on Audi as well and have the AMR 5% power?

Koenigsegg wrote:If the Viper will get 15% Power Handicap, then the BMW Z4 can fit in that group also. We don't have to make a special group for the Z4 anymore.

Any 1 tested this yet?

You can either leave the other cars as is and run the Audi and AMR-One with -5% power.

Or, run the Acura ARX-01b, Mazda-Lola and Honda-Lola with one larger rear tyre width, and leave the Audi at 100% power, but continue to run the AMR-One at -5%.

The question is what to do with the Aston-Lola and Peugeot 908. My suggestion is run the Aston-Lola at X999 with a -5% power restriction and the Peugeot 908 at X999 with no restriction.

Copy/Pasted from one of my page 6 posts:
Catalunya GP LMP1 Times
Acura ARX-01b : 1:33.234
Honda-Lola : 1:33.415
Mazda-Lola : 1:33.292
Audi R18 : 1:32.902
Aston-Lola 1:33.421
AMR-One : 1:32.885
Peugeot 908 : 1:33.607

This is the original lap times around Catalunya with the first proposed car list.

From my page 10 post:
Catalunya Adjusted Times
Aston-Lola (X999 with 5% power restriction) : 1:33.189
Acura ARX-01b (with 350 rears) : 1:33.066
AMR-One (with 5% power restriction) : 1:33.021
Peugeot 908 (X999) : 1:33.226

oh intresting cheers drake sorry missed your post all see Drakes idea

SelectiveRogue wrote:

Koenigsegg wrote:If the Viper will get 15% Power Handicap, then the BMW Z4 can fit in that group also. We don't have to make a special group for the Z4 anymore.

Any 1 tested this yet?

I did for VM some months ago. In my testing I was fastest with the Z4 at Laguna Seca, one of the quickest at Sebring, struggling (one of the slowest) at Road Atlanta and mid-pack at Le Mans.

The problem with bringing other cars up to the Audi is that you then run at X999 which is something Richy said he would rather not happen a couple of pages back and hence why I tested the restrictor on the Audi rather than seeing what the other cars needed to bring them up to the Audi.

Trash, the R18 is still a current car (albeit without all the hybrid gubbins) and to not have the car would be a mistake IMO.

Drake, from those Catalunya times, the Honda Lola is still down on a 1:33.4.
From my test on Road America it's not the quickest in a straight line and for it to be lacking on a grip track like Catalunya too is an indicator of it needing something if the other cars get buffed.

LMR Trash wrote:If we are trying to match the Audi why not just drop the car ?

+1

cheers all for feedback so what do we all want to recommend

imo for P1 drop the R18 and the AMR1 , for GTE bump the Viper to run on the 15% handicap but leave the Z4 out of the series unless the M3 is dropped as theres no need for 2 BMWs.

BG Cowboy wrote:The problem with bringing other cars up to the Audi is that you then run at X999 which is something Richy said he would rather not happen a couple of pages back and hence why I tested the restrictor on the Audi rather than seeing what the other cars needed to bring them up to the Audi.

Trash, the R18 is still a current car (albeit without all the hybrid gubbins) and to not have the car would be a mistake IMO.

Drake, from those Catalunya times, the Honda Lola is still down on a 1:33.4.
From my test on Road America it's not the quickest in a straight line and for it to be lacking on a grip track like Catalunya too is an indicator of it needing something if the other cars get buffed.

Note that the 1:33.4 of the Honda-Lola was when it ran the smaller tyres. I never got around to testing it with the larger tyres.

added my times in op -

LMP1- Catalunya

SelectiveRogue ASTON AMR ONE LMP1 998 5% Power Handicap 1.35.226
SelectiveRogue ASTON AMR ONE LMP1 998 1.34.578
SelectiveRogue AUDI R18 TDI LMP1 998 5% Power Handicap 1.34.937
SelectiveRogue AUDI R18 TDI LMP1 998 1.34.577
SelectiveRogue ACURA ARX 01B LMP1 990 1.34.801


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GTE - Hockenheim

SelectiveRogue FERRARI 458 GTE 765 1.42.330
SelectiveRogue CORVETTE GTE 761 1.42.417
SelectiveRogue VIPER GTE 796 15% Power Handicap (Front 320/35/R18 Rear340/35R18) 1.42.545
SelectiveRogue Z4 GTE 790 15% Power Handicap 1.42.705
SelectiveRogue PORSCHE  GTE 765 1.42.280

GTE I am happy with making Viper use 15% power (have I got tyre widths right??) and still using Z4 at 15% as well

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I don't see why we should drop the AMR and Audi, I'm not against giving the Honda Lola and Mazda Lola one more rear tyre width. The Acura is pretty damn good as it is, I don't think personally it needs any more. I would be happy to say the Audi and AMR can run with either the 5% or not. If they are toe to toe time wise and the other cars are not far off with upgrades then I would say they don't need a handicap. Regarding X class whilst I would rather not see it, maybe we need to do it. Can some other people test the Pug 908 and Lola Aston with 5% handicap in X class.

Putting the Viper into the 15% bracket seems to be a good idea, so if we do this then the Z4 will remain. What about the Lambo, doe sit need more power or is it fine as it is?

All -

Can we test LOLA Aston and Pgt in x class with 5% power handicap

Agree Richy 5% power for Audi and AMR means we don't have to give other cars 1 tyre upgrade up? but R18 should stay

Ref lambo think this is fine??

And Ferrari as stated earlier needs 1 tyre width upgrade on rear

i do approve of the X class they actually work pretty well , they will need to be policed though as once you get into X class it opens the door for max HP and Tire widths but tbf they can easily be checked on the replay telementary.

The R18 and AMR are better at -5% power rather than upgrading more cars tire widths.

GTE yes the Lambo is fine as is imo its still one of the best grip/handling cars on the list , the Ferrari seems ok as is but ive tuned it quite a bit.

The only car ive not ran is the GTE Porsche i just cant tune these things so i dont see the point.

GTE porsche is fine and the ferrari needs be 765 which is 1 tyre on the rear width works fine.

Will test Pgt and Lola at x class spec with 5% power see what feel like getting there

I think we can nail down a few things.

Viper and Z4 will be entered and run at 15% Power Handicap with the following builds.

GTE

BMW Z4 GT3 - R3-791 - Race Breaks, Front 325, Rear 340 (15%Power)
SRT Viper GTS - R3-796 - Race Brakes, Front 320, Rear 340 (15%Power)
Ferrari 458 Italia - R3-765 - Race Drive Line, Front 300, Rear 325

Still to test LMP1

Peugeot 908 - PI X999 - Remove 1st Restrictor (726bhp), Stock Front and Rear Tyre Widths
Lola Aston - PI X999 - Remove 1st Restictor (713bhp), Stock Front and Rear Tyre Widths (5% Power Handicap)
Audi R18 - PI 998 - 1st Stage Restrictors (583bhp), Stock Front and Rear Tyre Widths (5% Power Handicap)
Aston Martin AMR-One - PI 998 - 1st Stage Restrictor (625bhp), 360 Front Tyre Width (Stock), 370 Rear Tyre Width (Stock) (5% Power Handicap)

Still not sure a 700bhp 908 needs its restrictor removed but if it tests well then I see no issue. Needs final confirmation of bhps on the rest.

ok added my new times.

Pgt feels a monster to drive now to quick in my opinion, LOLA aston is very quick as well

But all cars apart from Pgt and lola aston seem fine in LMP1 with what Richy said and GTE is fine as well.

What shall we do about Pgt and lola aston

nice work all

bump

SelectiveRogue wrote:ok added my new times.

Pgt feels a monster to drive now to quick in my opinion, LOLA aston is very quick as well

But all cars apart from Pgt and lola aston seem fine in LMP1 with what Richy said and GTE is fine as well.

What shall we do about Pgt and lola aston

nice work all

Both struggle in the corners, the Peugeot more so. The only other thing to really do is run the Peugeot stock, and maybe try the Aston-Lola with only the first restrictor off (R998) and a 5%? Still a net horsepower increase over stock, but just barely.

That may be the way to do it, I wasn't sure of the restictors as I'm away form home. Can check on Thursday when I get back as well.

bump bump

was gonna post up last night, can we get some times for the GTE posted into the spreadsheet on the first page? Wanna try and find out if there's any stuck out nails in the grid that iv missed.

most gte should be tested and balanced but yes more times needed but seem to be balnced

LMP1 Pgt and LOLA Aston -

LOLA Aston 998 with 5% power handicap needed

Pgt really to quick in x class

Only 2 cars I have yet to fully test are the Viper with either build and the Aston, will aim to do both by tonight.

viper remember to do at normal build but 1st restrictor off and run 15% power handicap

Yes Aston needs some feedback on gte